Talk:Paul Pavelka

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A fact from Paul Pavelka appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that aviator Paul Pavelka was killed after being thrown and stampeded by a horse?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that American aviator Paul Pavelka was killed after being thrown and stampeded by a horse? Sources: The Lafayette Flying Corps Volume 1, page 380, Ex Libris 1923, page 138.
- ALT1: ... that Paul Pavelka was the only American aviator killed along the Salonika front? Source: Ex Libris 1923, page 138
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2020 Coulson Aviation Lockheed C-130 Hercules crash

Created by Tails Wx (talk). Self-nominated at 15:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Paul Pavelka; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

All looks good! Nice work on the article. I prefer ALT0 but I'd be happy with either, although I think ALT1 would need to specify that it's the Salonika front of World War I. Grnrchst (talk) 12:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Generalissima (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Paul Pavelka/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 04:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh hey, you brought this to GAN! I'll try to review this next few days. Generalissima (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry for delaying on this :( I complete got sidetracked.

Criterion #1: Well-written[edit]

Lede is good, though you should briefly mention where and how he died.

I think early life would flow better if you mention his parents names in the first sentence (eg; Hungarian immigrants, Paul and Anna Pavelka). This way you can avoid naming his father in the last sentence of this paragraph, which would make it a lot clearer. Rest of section seems good.

World War I section seems good.

all fixed. ~ Tails Wx (he/him • aro ace • 🐾) 13:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criterion #2: Verifiable[edit]

I checked a couple sources.

Nordhoff, p. 379
- Source confirms all four times you use it.

The Champaign Daily News 1915, p. 6.
- Source checks out (though please replace this with a clipping so people don't need a subscription.)

The Washington Times 1915, p. 5
- Checks out, but ditto.

The Parsons Daily Sun 1916, p. 4
- Ditto.

The Atlanta Constitution 1917.
- Ditto.

Hm. I would clip them but unfortunately I can't seem to create an account. I'll try working out another plan around this. ~ Tails Wx (he/him • aro ace • 🐾) 13:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criterion #3: Broadness[edit]

This is the one I'm a little unsure on. The article feels a bit "dense", and I think you can still milk your sources quite a bit. If there's any way you can add detail to his early life, that'd be great, cause right now he's just jumping from place to place with no detail of what he's doing there (especially that Andes expedition, that shipwreck, and his... army service on the USS Maryland? That's either a typo or really interesting!)

Criterion #4: Neutrality[edit]

Yeah, this seems fine.

Criterion #5: Stable[edit]

Yep!

Criterion #6: Imaged[edit]

Add alt-text, please! I'm also unsure about the usefulness of the emblem of the Lafayette Escadrille; wouldn't that picture of his funeral from the 1920 Nordhoff source be more specific?

Sourcing on the images checks out though.

Alt-text added, though I think keeping the emblem of the Lafeyette Emblem is ok, it's at least relevant. ~ Tails Wx (he/him • aro ace • 🐾) 17:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tails Wx: So sorry about the delay, left some comments for you. Generalissima (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like the background section has been improved! It's still a bit short, but we're running into what can be said about this figure from the sources available. I'd say this hits the GA criteria. Generalissima (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Photo[edit]

Why is the photo labeled "ca. 1917–1925" when it's known that he died in 1917? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.97.151.226 (talk) 18:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image summary on Wikimedia Commons states that the date of the photograph was between 1917 and 1925. The Smithsonian American Art Museum also states so. The artist also died in 1925, so for short: I'm not sure. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 16:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]